Liam's Completely false warn

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Name: Liam
SteamID: 
STEAM_0:0:122752424
Warn Reason: RDM
Staff who warned you: Boe Dennis
What happened: So I was in the castle helping the king and what not as a wizard. I was waiting by the gate when one of his guards threatened to kill me without giving a reason. I then said what do you mean which followed with the guard blatently trying to attack and kill me. The guard completely missed as I ran and turned using spells to kill him receiving some damage in the meanwhile. I was waiting in the courtyard of the castle using my heal spell when the guard came straight back out and killed me. I then called a sit about the blatent NLR/RDM and clear signs of no intent to roleplay (minge). When they warned the other player 1 time for the many rules he broke and also decided to warn me... Honestly I have kept a completely clean record and been nothing but correct when following the rules. I know myself I read the rules and correct others where I can. Further other staff can confirm this when I say I report people and ensure rules are being followed A LOT! I have 0 intent of keeping this warn.
Evidence: Here he clearly proves that I am in the right as he is using further observations to decide on past actions... This is unacceptable http://prntscr.com/nrlt8l

May I just add I believe this opinion was bias and possibly a war of getting revenge on me as I had this HeadAdmin warned yesterday for RDMing me. His record is rather poor for a high ranking staff member. http://prntscr.com/nrlv0g

 

+1 The Ravenfall footman was rdming for several hours, also Liam had a RP reason to kill Sniper. Warning someone for not having proof of their RP Reason to kill someone is kinda stupid.

Im pretty sure that the evidence doesn't really prove anything, all he is doing is tell you your being warned and he is gonna spectate the other player, this doesnt prove you right, its more of Boe just doing what he is ment to do, he saw the other player as a minge and saw you as fine, he was just following protocall pretty much but the evidence from my view doesn't prove much
 

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LenNyfAce.eXe said previously:

Im pretty sure that the evidence doesn't really prove anything, all he is doing is tell you your being warned and he is gonna spectate the other player, this doesnt prove you right, its more of Boe just doing what he is ment to do, he saw the other player as a minge and saw you as fine, he was just following protocall pretty much but the evidence from my view doesn't prove much

I agree that the evidence doesn't help much but the warn is still unjustified. The rules say the following:

◆ 1 : ▌Killing▐ You need a proper RP reason to kill someone. (Couple examples below)
        ➤ Someone showing hostile intent.
        ➤ Individual directly harming your life or others.
        ➤ Someone refusing to leave after giving multiple clear warnings from your property.

Threatening to kill someone and running after them swinging your sword sounds like hostile intent to me. I assume Liam got warned because he didn't have proof of his RP reason to kill Sniper? This doesn't make sense, the only way to have proof of your RP reason to kill someone is to record your game 24/7 which is unreasonable to expect from players.

Latetly I have seen a lot staff being strict to the point were it restricts RP. Due to the nature of the server its impossible to always proof everything which is fine. The only way someone should be warned for their RP reason to do something is if their reason is invalid or if there is proof of the situation going differently.

I hope this issue gets brought up in the staff meeting if the warn is deemed unjustified.

I feel that your warn is right to be removed, calling out Boe as biased it a really dick move. The guy has been helping Moonlight for a long time and has had to deal with alot of shit. It's sad to see people like you having no respect for the things he has done. Boe is not the kind of person to get revenge, it sounds like you are just trying to make Boe look bad for your own reasons, not cool.

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The guard was showing hostile intent with is a valid rp reason to kill a person to begin with, if boe then checked the logs about the RF guard then he could check to see if any suspicious actions the guard would have taken. 

I will get a Head Admin to read this report. 
Thanks for your patience,

- Olly, Overseer 

Smock and I both were there, all we had proof of was him attacking the knight, the knight did break nlr, and so we warned both of them.  

Yes you had proof of me attacking a guy who gave me valid reason too. He threatened me and then went on to try to attack me my friend. You rushed the situation because you quite frankly don't care and failed to acknowledge that there was no evidence...

Firstly, it wasn't even my sit, so if I didn't care I wasn't required to come to the sit, but I came anyway because I care. Second the only thing we didn't have proof of is what you said about him attacking you. You should have reported him when he tried to rdm you the first time, because that is what caused this situation. And if you wanted to handle it RP wise, then call a staff member, and let them know about the events, therefore fixing the whole situation before it happens. As for the hostile intent rule, it makes it almost impossible for staff to deal with certain problems. It can be used as an excuse to rdm as well. How are we supposed to know these things in logs? Its not fair to put that stuff on staff, when its not in our ability to actually deal with those situations, it just isn't possible for us to know those things.

Moonlight Boe Dennis said previously:
Firstly, it wasn't even my sit, so if I didn't care I wasn't required to come to the sit, but I came anyway because I care. Second the only thing we didn't have proof of is what you said about him attacking you. You should have reported him when he tried to rdm you the first time, because that is what caused this situation. And if you wanted to handle it RP wise, then call a staff member, and let them know about the events, therefore fixing the whole situation before it happens. As for the hostile intent rule, it makes it almost impossible for staff to deal with certain problems. It can be used as an excuse to rdm as well. How are we supposed to know these things in logs? Its not fair to put that stuff on staff, when its not in our ability to actually deal with those situations, it just isn't possible for us to know those things.

How are we supposed to know these things in logs?
EXACTLY... So why punish if there is no evidence. That is my entire point. You made an assumption. Furthermore the second you tped to my sit to help the staff member it became a part of your responsibility to make an effort to solve the issue. Just because it wasn't your sit originally doesn't mean you should treat it differently. You have shown clearly in your replies how my appeal is 100% in the right. Further if you looked at the logs as I asked you too he came back within 10 seconds on me killing him and he only managed to kill me because I was typing the @ request. Something I told you many times. So don't try to claim I never called for staff originally...


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We did have evidence... of you killing the dude. Not evidence of the intimidation you accused him of. So, I went with what the logs showed. Because those are facts, that I can trust. And I treated the sit as if it were my own. My point was that if I didn't care about your sit, I wouldn't have came to it in the first place. And if I am remembering correctly, you said you wanted to handle the situation by rping it out. Maybe my memory is just foggy, but that is what I remember. So, my point is, I trusted the logs over the words of a player, because logs don't have an opinion, they are simply numbers and facts. So I trusted the logs, over your word. 

You refused to ask the other guy whether he threatened me or not. You simply saw I hit him first according to logs and ASSUMED that I rdmed.

The whole time, the guy was saying you rdmed him in the first place. 

We did ask him if he hit first and he claimed he didin't, As well I was there with boe when we both decided on the logs and there storys, They both got punished as they should have for breaking a rule

Denied, your warn will not be removed due to insufficient evidence that you had a justified reason.

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